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How would you describe what you\'re doing with AI at Real Dolls?

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VICE: How would you describe what you\'re doing with AI at Real Dolls?
Matt McMullen: I met some people in robotics and started asking, \"How can we connect AI to robotic dolls?\" That\'s at the core of what we\'re doing: integrating artificial intelligence into RealDolls. We\'re spending time and effort perfecting the AI as much as possible so that interactions with the dolls are entertaining and believable. We\'re not trying to fool you into thinking, \'Is this a real person?\' We\'re trying to make the experience something you\'ll enjoy.
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So the move into sex robots was your consumers\' idea?
Well, when I started the dolls back in 1997 they weren\'t the same dolls you see today. They were pieces of art, very high end mannequins, if you will. And the public wanted to buy these dolls as companions and sex toys, so I just went with it. So yes, it\'s kind of the same thing with AI.https://www.kaka-doll.com/160cm/160cm-p-58726.html
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What developments in other AIs are you taking inspiration from?
We\'re trying to build on top of the basic personal assistant AI architecture you see elsewhere to create something similar to The Sims, where the AI has a needs system and the experience is game-ified. So the AI has desire – or at least the illusion of desire – and there are goals, and if you meet them you\'re going to get some kind of reward, be that verbal, visual or in sexual movements.

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People are only designing AIs to be support systems – they\'re not trying to make them entertaining or a lover, like we are. So we\'re asking: what can we do from a programming standpoint to mimic what happens between two people when they have a relationship? It\'s far more than sexual entertainment. People really zero in on, \"Oh, you\'re making a sex robot.\" I\'d say we\'re making a robot that can have sex. Although it\'s a very different, very intimate way that you can connect with something that is robotic and has AI technology built in.

So what are you putting into your AI to mimic human relationships?
For me, it\'s the random factor; it\'s nice to have some random things occur in a conversation. Sometimes it works and sometimes it\'s a catastrophic failure because she\'ll say something that completely doesn\'t fit or make any sense. But other times it\'s like, \"This is the perfect statement at the perfect moment.\" And you go wow.

Is your ultimate goal to make a human fall in love with a machine?
I don\'t know about falling in love, but I would love for people to be able to create a bond. Call it a friendship, a companion, whatever you want – but a bond that you wouldn\'t see in any other machine-human relationship.
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Do you think we\'ll begin to trust machines to be our friends?
Yes, emotionally.
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Are you concerned with the ethics of that? Do you think it\'s going to make humans less social?
I feel strongly that not every person on the planet is going to create bonds with the robots and AIs. I think it\'s a specific type of person who finds it appealing for one reason or another. Whether it\'s by choice, they\'re in a head-space where the idea of \"I want to bond with a robot, and I prefer the company of this robot or AI to a human being\" is compelling to them. So I don\'t know that, all of a sudden, it\'s going to be this thing where everyone disconnects with each other and goes with robots.


So you think it\'s a niche market?
Well, I think the sexual component may be a bigger market. Too many people talk about it and ask me about it for that not to be the case. I think a lot of people will limit their interaction with the technology to that level. I think the actual emotional connection – really creating the pseudo-relationship with an AI – won\'t be something that everyone will engage with. Although, for both, I think it takes a certain type.

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How would you describe that person?
Some are very lonely and for one reason or another do not have the desire or ability to make real bonds with someone else. Some are victims of circumstance; either something happened to them or someone broke their heart, or they might have lost a loved one to a disease. They don\'t want, necessarily, to start new relationships. It gives them some level of: \"Oh, I have someone at home...\"

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But if I was to summarise the people who buy the dolls, I would just say they\'re very nice. They\'re very down to earth, super sweet people. There\'s nothing strange or off-putting about them, and they come from all different age and social-economic groups. People think, \'Oh, they\'re with these dolls and that\'s really strange,\' but really, in the grand scheme of things, there are far stranger things out there in the world that we don\'t pick apart as much. This is something that makes them happy in the privacy of their own home, so why is it your job to critique what they\'re doing or judge them as being strange?

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